James White and Michael Brown Debate Two Homosexuals

I just watched a completely horrible debate on homosexuality.  On one side was James White and Michael Brown who are both skilled debaters and have published on the topic.  The other debaters were two liberal Protestant pastors named Pastor Deweyne Robinson and Rev. Ruth Jensen-Forbell.  I have never heard of either of them before and I don’t expect to see them again.

The topic was “Is Homosexuality Consistent with New Testament Obedience?”  In the world of apologetics there are slippery people who at least try to prepare and be sneaky about their arguments.  People like Matthew Vines try to at least come up with arguments for their positions based on liberal scholarship.  Ultimately they aren’t interpreting the evidence at face value but trying to find a way around it; but at least they’re trying.

These two pastors weren’t going for that.  They offered little in terms of Biblical argument.  There was a lot of emotion, personal stories, and references to overall themes of love in the Bible.  As I mentioned above, Brown and White are both heavyweights.  They’ve both published and debated on this issue.  These two homosexual apologists were not ready for this debate and shouldn’t have agreed to do this.

The opening statements and rebuttals aren’t really worth watching because it’s such a massacre.  White and Brown worked very well together.  White’s New Testament expertise and Brown’s Old Testament expertise made them a great team.  They’ve also debated together before so they knew how to work together.  The pastors didn’t give much in terms of Biblical argument.  They touched on a few issues but did so completely insufficiently.

The only part of the debate worth watching was the cross-examination.  Brown and White forced them to deal with the Scriptures alone.  No personal stories were employed as a way to dodge the issue.  This would be the only part of the debate that I would recommend.  Brown and White asked great questions and gave good answers.  One of the homosexual apologists didn’t even know what a lexicon was.

I’m actually angry with the debate organizers.  Why would you stack one side and not the other?  It could be that the bigger homosexual apologists didn’t want to debate.  I honestly don’t think that the better ones will want to debate.  James Brownson who is the heavyweight academic that they like to quote hasn’t engaged in any debates to my knowledge.  Matthew Vines got crushed by Sean McDowell so I don’t expect him to engage in any of these debates anytime soon.  He also just parrots the writings of James Brownson.  This debate honestly shouldn’t have happened.

On the homosexual issue, the revisionist side has absolutely nothing.  The only difference is that some people are better at getting around the evidence than others.  I would recommend watching the Vines vs. McDowell debate over this one because McDowell showed kindness but at the same time, knew where to go in the lengthy cross-examination.  If you wish to take a look at that debate, please see the link below.  What you shouldn’t do is spend three hours of your time watching Brown and White smash these amateur homosexual apologists.

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2 thoughts on “James White and Michael Brown Debate Two Homosexuals

  1. Well maybe no apologist for homosexuality wants to debate heavyweights (who were still very pleasant and speaking in love, IMHO) because their Biblical case is exceedingly weak.

    As I’ve put it before, I could make a stronger case from the Bible for polygamy or child marriage – with examples – than for homosexual marriage. Not that the Bible endorses any of those!

    Also as I’ve put it before, it’s like Robert Spencer debating whether Islam endorses violence – a completely unfair, one-sided debate due to the sheer weight of evidence and arguments on his side!

    • If I were a homosexual apologist I wouldn’t debate. I’d just stay in the media where they’d give me a platform.