I’ve been reading the Quran a lot lately. Because of the ordering of the surahs, the early ones seem to take forever whereas the later ones go by super quickly. Anyone who has read it will know what I mean. It seems that after about Surah 50, it’s smooth sailing until the end. As most people know, Muslims say that the Torah is corrupt, even though that view is entirely absent from the Quran. I was plowing through the later surahs the other day and found two back to back surahs that really help explain the Quranic view.
And when Jesus son of Mary said, ‘Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger of God to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tidings of a Messenger who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ Then, when he brought them the clear signs, they said, ‘This is a manifest sorcery.’
– Surah 61:6
We know that the Torah that Jesus Christ had is the one found in Christian and Jewish Bibles today. We have the dead sea scrolls and the Septuagint. We know that Jesus Christ was involved in the Pharisee movement which accepted the Torah that we have today as of divine origin. There is further information for us in the next surah.
The likeness of those who have been loaded with the Torah then they have not carried it, is as the likeness of an ass carrying books. Evil is the likeness of the people who have cried lies to God’s signs. God guides never the people of the evildoers.
– Surah 62:5
It doesn’t say that the Torah has been corrupted. It is simply saying that those who received it have failed to uphold it. This is the view that is present throughout the Quran. This was also the original Islamic view until they confronted Christians and Jews who knew their scripture and it didn’t mesh with Islam. The myth of the corrupted Bible was then born.
If the Torah that we have is true according to the Quran then there are damaging implications to Islam. In my last post I talked about Abraham establishing the Sacred Mosque in Mecca and establishing it as a place of prayer. From an Islamic point of view this would have to be the most important thing that Abraham did.
And We made the House a focal point for the people, and a sanctuary. Use the shrine of Abraham as a place of prayer. And We commissioned Abraham and Ishmael, “Sanctify My House for those who circle around it, and those who seclude themselves in it, and those who kneel and prostrate.”
– Surah 2:125
It’s clearly in the Quran but not in the Torah which the Quran confirms to be authentic. I have often stressed that the Quran is a polemic against history. Not only are Islamic claims not found in history such as the Injeel, but there is firm evidence to believe that these Islamic historical claims are false.
By the way, even if a Muslim wants to tap into liberal scholarship he won’t find the answer that they’re looking for. Any liberal would concede that the Torah possessed by our Lord is the one that we have today. As I mentioned, it’s more proof that Abraham never built the Sacred Mosque. The Quran is simply in error.
There is even bigger problem for Muslims. Surah 28:48-49 contains a challenge to doubters to bring a book that is better guidance than the Quran AND the Torah. If the true Torah was no longer extant at that time, the challenge wouldn’t make sense. How could anyone best a book if its content has been irretrievably lost and therefore inaccessible? If Muslims insist that the passage is referring to our Torah, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the Book is still in pristine form, they’ll have to explain why does Allah challenge people to improve on a book that is supposedly a man-made fabrication. Does he consider our “spurious” Torah inimitable? Worse still, from Islamic perspective the Biblical Torah CAN be improved upon quite easily- for example, by rewriting everything that doesn’t fit the Quranic narrative in order to make it fit that narrative. Which makes Allah’s challenge obsolete. It seems that Muslims are facing a pretty bad conundrum.
May God help us all.
Yes it certainly does.
The Quran is such a self refuting book. I firmly believe that the religion of the Quran and Islam are two different religions. The religion of the Quran accepts the Torah, Islam denies it.
God bless.
Allan
Surah 61 : 6
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “this is evident sorcery!”
(As-Saff 61:6)
Surah 61 : 7
Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong.
(As-Saff 61:7)
Surah 61:8
Their intention is to extinguish Allah.s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
(As-Saff 61:8)
Surah 61:9
It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
(As-Saff 61:9)
Surah 62:5
The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah. and Allah guides not people who do wrong.
(Al-Jumu’ah 62:5)
Funnily enough, even the Quran was corrupted – according to the Quran.
https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/corruption_testimony.html
there no evidence that Quran was corrupted…
–there no evidence that Quran was corrupted…–
Well then, I am pleased to present to you 100 minutes of solid evidence that proves it was corrupted… Including testimony from your own Islamic sources.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEv0WY2dh7A
Do take a listen/look and tell me your thoughts.
(Nothing you haven’t heard Jay Smith speak on before, Allan! But a good summary of his various past talks nonetheless.)
Insan,
I don’t think that I understand what points you are trying to make by posting extracts from the Koran here. I saw your posts a few days ago but hesitated to respond to them because I thought that I might have misunderstood things. However I am still puzzled. Please could you explain the message you are trying to put across to us?
Christopher
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
(In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
For your information,Christopher…this phrase بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم also was written in the time of the Prophet Sulaiman (Solomon) to Queen Bilqis in accordance with the information in the Qur’an (27:30).
Christopher,
What you have to know is…, Al-Quran is guidance…its from Allah to his creation (humanbeing) whom will be khalifah(the one who will lead this earth).. For whom who follow Allah (God) is the Creator
The reason why i posting extract from Quran here because most of non-Muslim qoute the Quran by 1 or 2 verses(ayat) only…thats not the way when you read Quran..you will missunderstanding what actually “Allah tell us” you need to read the full message in the surah itself, its maybe 3 verses, maybe 5verses or more..
why I claim Quran was not curropted until now..on my own word…i’ll explain
My claim No. 1…Why, when and to whom Quran in this world
the answer is………God (as Muslim we known our God is Allah) choose His own Prophet/messanger/abid(avid in Jews)
So that…..like the previous prophets
Zabur is a scripture that God revealed to the Bani Israel through his messenger named David
Taurat is a scripture that God revealed to the Bani Israel through his messenger named Mosaic (Musa)
Injil is a scripture that God revealed to the Bani Israel through his messenger named Isa (Jesus)
Al-Quran is a revelation that God revealed to all human (from the time Muhammad received the revelation until the day this world will end we call as Kiamat) through his messenger named Muhammad. Al-Quran is a guidance to all human..not only for Israil….
as i said before,Islam only talk the realistic,logic and truth
Can you think as normal humanbeing, why God (as Muslim we known our God is Allah) sent 3 prophet(messanger) to Bani Israel(the children of israil)…they must be something reasons…maybe they very stubborn to receive the information and the order from the God (Allah)…then Allah sent Muhammad to guide all human from the time he received the revelation till kiamat
My claim No. 2…How Quran is delivered
The Revelation from Allah
Through angel jibrail(Gebrail)
To his beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Upon You)
since Prophet Muhammad (Peace Upon You) not know to write and read…so Jibrail teaches the Prophet Muhammad to memorised so that he remembered..
then Prophet Muhammad (Peace Upon You) reciting the revelation delivered by God through jibrail to his closest friend including his wife. There was a friend of the prophet who knew writing, so there were some who wrote what the prophet Muhammad said above…
every day, every time there will be a friend of him who stay at the mosque to read al-Quran … His companions memorized at the mosque and at home.
For your information, His wife, Siti Aisyah R.A memorized the entire Quran (114 surah) in less than 3 months after Prophet Muhammad (Peace Upon You) death.
At the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Upon You) was still alive……. Prophet Muhammad (Peace Upon You) closest friend, Khalifah Umar Al-khatab gather all the revelations that had been wrote until the last revelation (not long before the prophet died) was revealed and become Complete Quran (the name given by Allah to this “Holy book”)
therefore, there are millions of Muslims today who can memorize it all over. Me myself already memorized more then 20surah(chapter) ….for your information there are 114surah all in the al-Quran
Christopher,
you can go anywhere on this earth … and ask the Muslims to read even a sentence of al-Quran and you ask for the translation from Arabic to your language … you will not find any mistakes in the “reading”……and you see that the most misunderstanding is due to translation..
Wallahu a’lam ( والله أعلمُ)
means Allah is All-Knowing
Insan, you wrote : “Injil is a scripture that God revealed to the Bani Israel through his messenger named Isa (Jesus)”
What about all the Christians that are not from the Bani Israel (the vast majority of Christians) ?
Christopher,…
something I want you think…as normal person since Islam always talking, logic, realictic and truth
Firstly…
The Quran is awake and preserved by reading 5 times a day in congregational prayers since the time of Prophet Muhammad until now. Therefore Muslims are ordered to do congregational prayers in 5times daily in mesjid.
Secondly…
The Qur’an is awake by memorizing from generation to generation
Lastly…
Since Prophet Muhammad(Peace Upon You) do not know write and read, therefore we believe that Quran is awake by reading and writing by prophet companions and all friends witnesses with what is heard from Prophet Muhammad(Peace Upon You) is already memorized and writen by them.
sincerely,
Insan….
Insan,
I really do appreciate your taking the time and effort to write and explain things to me at length. Your devotion to Islam is clear and I admire it although I think it is wrongly directed. That said, I do commend your desire to know God.
It is one thing to keep quoting the Koran at non-Muslims but we do not have a good reason to consider that it is true, we have no reason to believe its claim to be the unmediated, unaltered words of God. On the contrary, it appears to be the invention of Mohammed.
Even if it has been preserved over the centuries by devoted Muslims the Koran is full of inconsistencies which shows that it is very unlikely to be the very word of an all-knowing God. One moment it calls for freedom of religion then later on it calls for the death of non-believers. We only have Mohammed’s testimony that this is a revelation from the God of Abraham and Moses. Not only that, the author of the Koran appears ignorant of what is written in the Torah and the Gospel, although it claims to be a further revelation following on from them. The Koran does not demonstrate an understanding of the beliefs and practices of Christians so that when it criticises what Christians believe about God it gets things wrong – you would expect the all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful God to know and understand these things.
We can clearly see where Mohammed has simply used folk tales and Gnostic “gospels” as sources for his so-called revelation. Too often the message changes from surah to surah, and sometimes the only purpose is to give Mohammed what he desires. The Koran looks suspiciously like something cooked up by Mohammed to suit whatever policies or desires he had at any given time. And let’s not overlook the fact that followers of Mohammed had plenty to gain in terms of booty and women captives so it is no wonder that Islam gained lots of enthusiastic adherents.
Mohammed lied. I wonder if Mohammed was fully aware of the terrible thing he did in directing people away from the truth about Jesus Christ the Son of God who died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures and rose from the dead. Jesus’ disciples testified to this fact although they had nothing to gain from it in this world but death and persecution.
As I said earlier, I admire the devotion and piety of Muslims, but it makes me very sad that it is not directed to the One True God, but to the false one that Mohammed invented. The truth is to be found through Jesus Christ.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
(In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
Christopher,…thank you…
Christopher,
There are so many things I would like to elaborate and introduce you about the Quran and Muhammed. And I really want to answer but now we are not debate. So I will keep it for a while..
But I need further clarification the truth about Jesus death as you quote earlier on the second last paragraph.
You quote…
“Mohammed lied. I wonder if Mohammed was fully aware of the terrible thing he did in directing people away from the truth about Jesus Christ the Son of God who died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures and rose from the dead. Jesus’ disciples testified to this fact although they had nothing to gain from it in this world but death and persecution”.
Could you or anyone clarify about these…
At Caiaphas’s house, the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for a witness to Jesus that he might be put to death, but they did not. Despite many false witnesses, the testimonies are not in agreement with one another. At last two people came to him, saying, “We have heard this man say, ‘I will break the man-made temple of the man, and in three days I will build another, which is not man-made.’ In this case their testimony is not in agreement with one another.
(Matthew 26: 57-61; Mark 14: 53-59)
Then the High Priest of Caiaphas rose up in the middle of the council and asked Jesus, “Do you not answer these accusations against you?” But He remained silent and did not answer anything. The high priest asked him once more, saying, “Are you the Messiah, Son of the Praised One?” Jesus answered, “You have said this: I am He, but I say to you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has blasphemed God, and why do we need witnesses? Now you have heard the blasphemy against God. Then they unanimously decided and said: “He must be put to death!”
(Matthew 26: 62-66; Mark 14: 60-64)
Then the men who arrested Jesus mocked him and beat him, spit his face and punched him; the others covered his face and struck him, and said: “Try to tell us, Messiah, who struck you?” and “Hai nabi, try it!” And many more blasphemies they have spoken to Him. Even the guards beat Him
(Matthew 26: 67-68; Mark 14:65; Luke 22: 63-66)
Due to that tragedy….
Pontius Pilatus was the Roman governor of 26-36 AD. He represented the Roman ruler in Jerusalem to hear Jesus Christ arrested in Gethsemane Garden. After investigating the case of Jesus, was unable to release Jesus simply, but instead he was subject to the masses’ desire to crucify Jesus.
Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your king!” And they cried out, saying, Bring him, and crucify him. Pilate said to them, “Should I crucify your king?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king except Caesar!” (John 19: 5-15)
When Pilate saw that every effort would be in vain, even the riot began, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd and said: “I am innocent of the blood of this man; it is your own business!” And all the people answered, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!” (Matthew 27: 24-25)
By shouting they urged and demanded, that he was crucified, and finally they won by their shouting. Then Pilate decided that their demands were granted. And he released Barabbas, the man who had been put in prison for the rebellion and murder in accordance with their demands, (Matthew 27:26; Mark 15:15; Luke 23: 23-25)
But Jesus handed them over to them to be severely punished, treated with all intentions and crucifixion. (Matthew 27:26; Mark 15:15; Luke 23:25; John 19:16)
Can you tell me, Christopher or anyone..
1. where I can found the one that show Jesus died just because our sins? tortured and killed as a victim of wrongdoing, so that we may gain salvation and healing
2. and clearly I found here that Yesus said “You have said this: I am He but I say to you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven”…he do not mention that he is God (even one part of God like trinity concept)
3. what I can see here is that Jesus was not accepted by people of All the chief priests and elders of the people with the experts in the law and the whole Sanhedrin…..actually why??
Waiting for your reply..
sincerely,
Insan….
–2. and clearly I found here that Yesus said “You have said this: I am He but I say to you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven”…he do not mention that he is God (even one part of God like trinity concept)–
Insan, I can answer this offhand, but instead I will do what Jesus often did and respond with a question to make you think deeper… What did ‘I am’, ‘the Son of Man’, ‘sitting at the right hand of the Almighty’ and ‘coming on the clouds of heaven’ mean to the chief priests and elders of the people with the experts in the law and the whole Sanhedrin?
These were people well read in the Old Testament, so this is a clue I’m giving you.
When you come back with your well researched answer… You will have answered your own question no.2!
Scott,
Thank you for your reply…
But i just want to know more further…which book@ scripture is used as a Christian hold now?either injeel? or bible? or old testament? or new testament?
why dont Christians follow bible@ Injeel as a whole in their life instead of follow new testament?
really hope for your reply..thank you
sincerely,
Insan…
Maybe some clarification is needed. I will use Islamic terms and comparisons for your better understanding.
What you call ‘Injeel’, we do not consider ‘one book sent down from heaven’ like what you consider the Quran. Rather, we call it the one Gospel – our Hadith, Sira and Tarikh about Jesus – as recounted by Mark & Matthew & Luke & John. (Gospel means good news, from the Greek word evangelion… see where the word Injeel comes from?)
The New Testament is the Gospel (in those four books I mentioned above), plus Acts (a very long Tarikh about the first apostles), plus the many letters explaining how to live as Christians as our ‘Tafsir’, plus Revelation which is prophecy.
The Bible comprises both the New Testament, and the Old Testament which the Jews had and still have.
The Old Testament includes the ‘Taurat’, but that is only the first five books – written down by Moses and called the Torah/Law. The Old Testament also includes the Zabur of David (that we call Psalms) and many other books by other prophets.
As for what Christians follow, we use the whole New Testament as our example. As I explained above it is our Hadith, Sira, Tarikh and Tafsir. So this includes the Injeel/Gospel too.
Maybe you mean why we Christians don’t follow the Old Testament? This is because Jesus fulfilled the Law (not abolish it, but also not merely to follow it). All the ceremonial laws such as not eating pork, temple rituals, animal offerings are fulfilled (this is the point of the book of Hebrews).
An example of this in practise can be seen in Acts 15, where the believers conclude that non-Jewish followers of Jesus are not subject to the Jewish ceremonial laws from the Old Testament. They only should avoid things which are linked to pagan worship (listed down in verse 29) since YHWH is their God.
PS. Regarding my previous comment, here’s a shortcut for you: https://twitter.com/BibleHats/status/1020101267773800449
Look up the passages cited, and I would also add to the red section Proverbs 30:4
Insan : what is the Injeel ? Where is it ? The Qur’an contains clear guidance about everything, so surely it explains that ?
Insan,
I am happy to try and answer your queries but please let’s not get distracted from the matter of the Koran, which is the purpose of Allan’s post. There are serious problems with the Koran which gives the lie to its claim to be the very word of God, and which clearly shows that it was simply made up by Mohammed as he went along to suit his own purposes and desires.
As to your points.
1) Jesus foretold that the chief priests and the scribes would condemn him to death and deliver him to the Gentiles, that they would torture and kill Him and that after 3 days he would rise from the dead. Jesus further explained that he would “give his life as a ransom for many” (Mt 20:28, Mk 10:45).
2) Jesus answers the high priest affirming that he is the Son of God and the Messiah. He also claims that he will soon be vindicated over his enemies and enthroned at God’s right hand. Jesus does not appear to be making a direct claim to be God on this occasion, although he is making a radical personal claim. That said, there are many instances throughout the Gospel where He makes personal claims that are only consistent with his Divinity.
3) The answer to this runs throughout the Gospel. In him ministry Jesus undermined the authority of the teachers of the Law: he associated with sinners (e.g. prostitutes and moneylenders), and other people that would normally be shunned by devout Jews; he touched the unclean such as lepers and blind people; his men did not observe the Sabbath in the way laid down by the authorities. He spoke with authority and made new pronouncements even going so far as to correct the Law of Moses regarding divorce (Mt 5:31-32). All this was contrary to the strict laws of the Jewish religion of that time. In particular Jesus was highly critical of the religious authorities and referred to them is the most disparaging terms, e.g. vipers, hypocrites, whited sepulchres, full of greed and self-indulgence. As early as Mark 3:5 we are told that the Pharisees and Herodians plotted to kill him. The Sanhedrin or council was made up of priests and scribes, many of whom were Pharisees and Sadducees. It is little wonder that they were opposed to him.
You ask why Jesus was not accepted by such people, the Gospel gives the answer but the Koran gives no clue to that. Surah 4:157 acknowledges that the life of Jesus was threatened but that he only appeared to have been killed, however that is all it has to say. Although Muslims claim to revere Jesus the Koran has remarkably little to say about him. All that is put in the mouth of a character purporting to be Jesus is the declaration of a bland monotheism, nothing that would have been likely to antagonise the religious or civil authorities of the day. Nor is there any teaching of his that would make the Islamic Jesus a figure worth special regard or respect.
Mohammed tried to negate the true Jesus. However Jesus is so special that his remembrance could not be fully negated and Mohammed chose instead to try and deflect some of the devotion from him. Even the Koran acknowledges that Jesus was born of a Virgin (Mohammed did not have a special birth), that Jesus was without sin (Mohammed was a sinner by his own admission), that Jesus performed miracles (Mohammed was unable to perform miracles).
I first began to study the Koran and Mohammed because I thought there might at least be a hint of divine inspiration even if misconceived, but discovered that Islam was just an invention like Mormonism. Mohammed might have begun with the good intention of diverting the Arabs from polytheism, but in doing so he deliberately set up his new religion expressly to deny the true Jesus, and he pretended to receive Divine revelations for his own purposes and desires.
It pains me to see so many devout people who so desire to know about God (and who are thus to be admired) but who are deceived.
Christopher
Dear Jonathan,
I really sorry for late reply…so as Christopher and Scott…but please give me time to answer Jonathan first since his question short and I have time to answer it..
Jonathan,
You can read about Injeel in al-Quran in various verses:
(A-li’Imraan 3:3)
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Taurah and Injil before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
(A-li’Imraan 3:48)
And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, Taurah and Injil
(A-li’Imraan 3:49)
And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “‘I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe
(A-li’Imraan 3:50)
And I have come to confirm the truth of the Scripture which was sent down before me, and to make lawful to you some of that which you have been unlawful. and I came to you with a miracle from your Lord. Therefore fear Allah and obey me.
(A-li’Imraan 3:65)
Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when Taurah and Injil Were not revealed Till after him? Have you no understanding?
(A-li’Imraan 3:66)
Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not!
(A-li’Imraan 3:67)
It is not Abraham that he is a Jewish believer, and he is not a Christian, but he is a person who remains on the basis of Tauhid as a Muslim (who obeys and puts his trust in Allah), and he is not from the idolaters .
(A-li’Imraan 3:68)
Those who were near to Abraham were those who followed him and this Prophet and those who believed. And Allah is the Protector of those who believe.
(Al-Maaidah 5:46)
And We sent Isa, son of Maryam, in the footsteps of their Lord, to confirm the Scripture which was revealed before; and We gave him Injil, with guidance and light, confirming what was before him from the Torah, and a guidance and a guidance for those who guard (against evil).
(Al-Maaidah 5:46)
And let the People of Injil judge with what God has revealed in it; and whoever does not judge by what Allah has sent down, these are the evildoers.
(Al-Maaidah 5:66)
If only they had stood fast by Taurah, Injil, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.
(Al-Maaidah 5:67)
O Messenger. proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith.
(Al-Maaidah 5:68)
Say: “O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by Taurah, Injil, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.” It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
(Al-Maaidah 5:69)
Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
(Al-Maaidah 5:70)
We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them apostles, every time, there came to them an apostle with what they themselves desired not – some (of these) they called impostors, and some they (go so far as to) slay.
(Al-Maaidah 5:110)
Then will Allah say: “O Isa the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, Taurah and the Injil and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’
(Al-Maaidah 5:111)
“And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger. they said, ‘We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'”.
Jonathan,
There are so many words about Injil in Al-Quran….what i’m quote here just a few… I want to give 2 conclusion…but this 2 conclusion is not what I’m thinking..but that Allah said to us…as an Insan (english transalation of Insan is human/man/person)
(At-Taubah 9:111)
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the Paradise: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through Taurah, Injil, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
(Al-Maaidah 5:48)
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth(Al-Quran), confirming the scripture that came before it(Taurah and Injil), and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
Sincerely,
Insan
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
(In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
Christopher,…thanks for the lengthy explanation. However there are some things that are contrary to my knowledge and of course I disagree with your views based on my knowledge.
Christopher,
First of all, I apologize if there is a conflict of views. I also apologize if I did not use “Jesus” instead I used Prophet Isa as respected in his prophethood.
With regard to your statement
“He spoke with authority and made new pronouncements even going so far as to correct the Law of Moses concerning divorce (Mt 5: 31-32). All this was contrary to the strict laws of the Jewish religion of that time”
Islam has its own views on the matter. The Prophet Isa was sent to the Children of Israel. His coming was also sent to make some changes to the command of God in the Torah (which was also revealed by God to the Prophet Moses for the Children of Israel.) Prophet Isa did not make an order for his capacity as a prophet and apostle but by the command of God.
Christopher,
How can Prophet Muhammad compose the Qur’an with wisdom and is full of knowledge in various fields, while at the same time the Prophet himself had to dawah and Islamic leaders?
The Prophet Muhammad is only a receiver of news, presenter and executor. He himself did not have time to study the Injil and the Torah and wrote the Qur’an! He himself do not know hebrew language…Let’s just think about it.
I would like to quote some of the words of the scholar related to Prophet Muhammad.
Reverend Bosworth Smith (1794-1884) Late Fellow of Trinity College, Oxford.
“He is Caesar and Pope in one body; but he was the Pope without his pretense, and Caesar without his troops. Without a troop of its own, without a guard, without a palace, without a great financial source, if there is a man who says he brings God’s commandment, that person is Muhammad; because he has all the power of an Apostle and Government but without infrastructure and support as other human beings need. ”
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948) Indian thinker, statesman, and nationalist leader.
“… I became more convinced that not with the Islamic sword was upright in the time of Muhammad. It is based on the practice of practicing Islam, with the abolition of individualistic ideology by Muhammad, with the thoroughness of all his da’wah, compassion towards his people, his courage, his confidence in God and the mission he handed over. All this is not from the sword’s eyes as it is all believed. ”
Edward Gibbon (1737-1794) Considered the greatest British historian of his time.
“Muhammad’s greatest achievement is that his work has transformed and touched the lives of others, only through his example, and not through the eyes of the sword.”
John William Draper (1811-1882) American scientist, philosopher, and historian.
“4 years after the death of Justinian (AD 569), in Mecca, was born an Arab man, who became the greatest man in all history of how he influenced humanity …. And that person is Muhammad. ”
Annie Besant (1847-1933) British theosophist and nationalist leader in India. President of the Indian National Congress in 1917.
“It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and personality of this Arab Prince, who knows how he teaches and how he lives his life, to feel disrespectful and respectful of this great Prophet, one of the Apostles of God. And whatever I tell you today about the greatness and lessons of Muhammad, I will always see the greatness and new lessons from him if I re-examine, a great Arab teacher. ”
Christopher,
I also interested to learn what is Christianity…and one thing which I found is interesting to me is the Gospel of Barbanas.
Chapter 39 of the Gospel of Barbanas:
Blessed be Your holy name, O God of our Lord. There is no God besides Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.
(in Islam, this expression we recognize with “syahadah”)
Chapter 112 Injil Barbanas:
Jesus told Barbanas that he would be killed. But to the prophet Jesus, God will bring him up from the earth. While the murdered person is a traitor whose face is changed like the prophet Isa. And those people believe that the crucifixion was Jesus’ prophet. “But Muhammad will come, Holy Prophet of Allah” said Isa.
The name of the prophet Muhammad is also mentioned in Chapters 136,163 and 220. How did Muhammad create his own religion while in the Gospel himself was known to Muhammad.
Christopher,
before I conclude, I am interested in something I found in the Gospel of Barbanas, I find that there is a continuation in the Gospel of Barbanas with the fact in the Hadith.
Chapter 41 The Gospel of Barbanas,
At the command of God, Mikael expelled Adam and Eve from heaven and then the prophet Adam turned to look at the gates of heaven “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of God”.
(this is the syahadah – the first thing should be pronounced to revert into Islam).
I find that his continuity is in the Hadith of Rasulullah saw as follows:
Narrated by ‘Umar al-Khattab marfu’ that after Adam a.s. guilty of doing wrong and he said,” I beg your pardon of Muhammad’s right”. Allah s.w.t. ask Adam, how do you know Muhammad while I have not created it yet? Adam replied: O Allah, surely Thou hast created me, with Thy hand, Thou blast thy Spirit upon me, and I have lifted up my head suddenly upon the pillars of La Ilaha Illa Allah Muhammad Rasulullah (“There is no god other than Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah “). So I believe that you do not rely on Your name but the one you love most. ”
This same “syahadah” in Injil Barbanas and Hadith….how the prophet Muhammad wrote in the Injil Barbanas while he still does not exist. The answer is his name has been written in heaven by God. Adam’s first human creator has known his name …
That’s all I can share this time. Hopefully this discussion will benefit us together.
Sincerely,
Insan
Insan,
With regard to Jesus Christ you wrote: “Islam has its own views on the matter.”
It surely does, but when you began quoting the Gospel at me and asked me questions I thought that you would be interested in answers and consider them rather than trot out more quotes as to what Islam has to say. I know what the Koran has to say about Jesus and there isn’t very much at all. The four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) provide the testimony of witnesses to the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ; they are the best attested documents of antiquity. We can be confident in their reliability and I urge you to read them. I suggest that you begin with Mark which is the shortest one and which is written in a straightforward and direct style.
You wrote: “How can Prophet Muhammad compose the Qur’an with wisdom and is full of knowledge in various fields, while at the same time the Prophet himself had to dawah and Islamic leaders? The Prophet Muhammad is only a receiver of news, presenter and executor. He himself did not have time to study the Injil and the Torah and wrote the Qur’an! He himself do not know hebrew language…Let’s just think about it.”
I have thought about it – have you really thought about it? Carefully? I had presumed that you were a conventional Muslim who held the orthodox view that the Koran is an eternal book, and that it is a revelation from Allah transmitted to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel, and that it was not altered amended or added to by any human, e.g. Mohammed. If that is so, it is irrelevant what languages Mohammed did or didn’t know, or what studies he had made or how much time he had. The revelation of an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful God would not be limited by the ignorance or lack of ability of the (alleged) chosen messenger. (In any case Mohammed came up with this stuff in a career lasting more than twenty years, so he had plenty of time.)
The fact is that the knowledge and perspective displayed in the Koran is only what you would expect from a seventh century Arab merchant, not an all-knowing Creator of the universe. The Koran gets the Trinity wrong (5:73, 5:116), says that the sun sets in a murky pool (18:86), that semen is created between the backbone and the ribs (86:5-7), and that shooting stars are missiles cast at evil spirits (67:5). Allah apparently thinks that the moon is a lamp, and he is apparently unable to remember whether he created the heavens before the earth (compare 2:29 with 79:27-30). The author of the Koran cannot be God.
You went on to past lots of quotes. Have you taken all those quotes from “scholars” and the gospel of Barnabas from a Muslim pamphlet? I am not sure what the purpose of presenting this stuff to me is, it appears that you are trying to avoid the issues that have been raised in earlier posts. I admit that Gibbon is a respectable historian, and that he was a learned man possessed of a fine intellect but your quote is very selective. I haven’t been able to find your quotation in my abridged version of The Decline and Fall of Roman Empire, but Gibbon indeed acknowledges the talents and qualities of the self-styled prophet of Islam. However he says a lot more besides that and points out Mohammed’s use of “…fraud and perfidy, of cruelty and injustice” and calls him a “victorious imposter!”. Gibbon also comments upon the credulity of his proselytes: alas, things have not changed very much.
Gibbon also mentions how Mohammed conveniently received revelations from Allah that granted him his desire and allowed him to escape scandal, i.e. to marry Zainab the wife of his adopted son, and another to absolve him of his oath to give up Mary the Copt with whom he had been caught having sex.
The Koran gave Mohammed what he desired. It is remarkable how much Mohammed’s so-called revelations were self-serving.
No such charges can be attributed to Jesus. Contrast the founder of Christianity with the founder of Islam. Mohammed made sure that he was served by his followers, his captives, and even by Allah. His Muslim followers stood to gain much in terms of captives, sex slaves and booty. Jesus came to serve us all and to let us know the truth about God and how he loves us all. Jesus gave himself as a ransom for many, was crucified and was resurrected, triumphing over death itself. Jesus’ disciples testified to this fact although they had nothing to gain from it in this world but death and persecution.
You also quote from the Gospel of Barnabas. Why? Presumably it was in that pamphlet or article that you are copying-and-pasting from. You will not learn about Christianity from the gospel of Barnabas because it is a forgery from the fourteenth century or even later. The authentic gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all written down within a generation of the death and resurrection of Jesus: if you want to learn about Christianity you must read them.
Sorry Insan, I hate to say this but I strongly suspect that you may be trolling us. You appear to be avoiding the serious problems that there are in Islam, some of which I have mentioned in my replies to you, and you have not attempted to answer any of them. The truth is a matter of real importance, and there is much at stake here. Jesus Christ is the only path to heaven, the only true measure of righteousness, and the source life in this world and the next.
Christopher
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
(In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
Christopher,
A lot of you say about my god. Much do you say about my prophet Muhammad. You think, what reaction should I point out? You do not have to think. I gave the answer. Of course I’m mad. I feel tired. But for the sake of science, I will still be there to convey what is right from my science. Again I apologize if I do not use the word Jesus and only use it in certain places.
Christopher,
You have said that Muhammad receives revelation from god only for his sake. If so, Muslims should be obliged to fast, be obliged to pray, obliged to take care of aurat between men and women. Women are told to do so. Islam does not allow pigs to eat. If the pig and dog were touched, Islam was told to do so. Islam prohibits alcohol. What does Muhammad’s prophet do to give such instructions to Muslims?
What I see after 1400 after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, all the instructions, teachings and guidance of the prophet Muhammad brought goodness. I asked you whether at the time the prophet Muhammad had conveyed his teachings, he knew that in the saliva of the pig and the dog had a germ that could cause harm. Only by tanning (ground water), the germs are reduced / dead. Wearing a hijab, a Muslim woman will be more polite and the woman’s gesture is more beautiful than it is. In analogy, women are like gems. A very precious gem is stored, hidden, guarded and does not want to be seen by people. Islam’s view of such women is because women are very valuable in Islam. Therefore God made the woman beautiful, smooth skin, gentle conversation and gentle gestures. When opened the hijab, the beauty will gradually be scratched.
Christopher,
An ordinary human being will not know any good that will come after 1400 years of its existence. How did Muhammad’s prophet know? Because he will not speak other than good and in the guidance of Allah swt.
Christopher,
You also say about our book of the Koran. And I also say I want to learn about Christianity. In the bible I know to represent 4 books. I know most Christians do not take the Barbanas Bible as a reference. Christians take the bible (comprising 4 books) as the main source of reference. Inside the Bible is also the conclusion of what the Christian god wanted to convey to his people. I know in the bible ade red and black writings whose red writing represents the words of Jesus.
But this is different from Islam. In Islam we still maintain the purity of the Quran because it is the words of Allah, our Lord. Its seperate from Hadith. In the Qur’an is the revelation of God that God wants to convey to man. You know, in the Qur’an there are some words that God is specific to certain people. Examples
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُو “Ya ayyuhal-lazina amanu (O believers)”
its actually to whom believe in Allah and Muhammad the messenger but all human being may knowing it.
ياايّهاالناس “Ya ayyuhan-nas (O people!)” Allah command to “all people”
Al-Hadith is the words and teachings of our prophets, we gather and narrate gradually. The Prophet’s Hadith is an amplifier and advocate of the laws contained in the Qur’an. It is also a Parser and an interpreter for the general Qur’anic verses.
Allah SWT sent Prophet Muhammad SAW as a conveyor of mercy to the whole world as His word in surah al-Anbiya ‘, verse 107. The blessings brought by the Prophet SAW over all thoughts and boundaries based on the revelation and guidance of Allah SWT, not according to lust and logic intellect. Only by revelation and guidance Allah SWT alone will bring mankind to the path of truth and success.
Christopher,
Yes, I am very confident with my hold that the Al-Quran is not altered, not added especially by the prophet Muhammad. Even I believe in the Torah, the Gospels and the “original” Book of Psalms as well as from Allah swt. Sorry to you, if I say, I read your book. What can I say for example:
Matthew – I think the language style is just like human writing. Not exclusive. The horizontal statements that humans can create.
Genesis – I’m interested in Genesis 1 verse 3 statement And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. The statement is the same as the words of Allah “Kun Fayakun” which you can read in many surahs in the Quran.
And much more because I’m actually researching the Bible now.
Christopher,
Yes, it is true, you can say presumed that I am a conventional Muslim who held the orthodox view that the Koran is an eternal book, and that it is a revelation from God transmitted to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel, and that it was not altered amended or added to by any human. I am confident with my holdings .. I am confident my god (Allah) and my Prophet and Messenger (Muhammad saw) … .. and I am also convinced that the Prophet Isa is only a messenger of Allah, as a prophet of Muhammad. Why am I very sure even if you give me a million evidences to say bad things about Allah and Muhammad? Because I still have faith. This faith that led me to me was convinced of what i was believed.
Christopher,
I love you. I also love other Christians. I also love other people on this earth. Although we are not of the same religion, but I hope we can talk, speak and reproach in harmony and affection.
Surely a god knows best.
Wallahu a’lam ( والله أعلمُ)
means Allah is All-Knowing
Sincerely,
Insan
Insan,
I must point out to you that I did not actually say that Mohammed only had revelations for his own sake. I said that he had revelations to suit his policy and his desires. To be fair some of his policies were good (monotheism, protection of baby girls, forbidding of usury), but some were very bad (e.g. killing people if they don’t believe in particular things, or if they decide to stop being Muslim). Mohammed started off fairly peaceful and tolerant when he was in Mecca and his followers were very few but became less tolerant and indeed very violent when he went to Medina and gained followers and power.
In your last post you declared that, unless it already agrees with Islam, whatever you learn you will continue to believe what Mohammed had to say. (I put in this way because Mohammed is the one that people heard speaking, no one else heard the angel or Allah.) It is remarkable that you have no answers to the important issues that I raised as to whether or not we can trust Mohammed when he said that he was passing on God’s own words.
If Mohammed were truly a prophet of God who simply passed on God’s unaltered words then there should be no difficulty in being to defend or explain what he had to say. Surely God knows everything and everything he says must be true. If that is so there should not be scientific errors in the Koran, nor should Allah appear to think that Christians believe in 3 gods Allah, Jesus and Mary.
Of course Matthew’s writing is just like men (as you put it). Why should it be otherwise? Matthew was a man writing something for men to read, and this is not a problem for Christians. However Muslims have a huge problem is they wish to maintain the idea that the Koran is the true and eternal word of God completely free from the influence of any man because there are so many errors and inconsistencies, and we can clearly see the handiwork of Mohammed rather than God.
It is very gratifying to read of your love for Christians, and indeed people around the world. I am convinced that most Muslims are peaceful and just wish to get on with their lives and let other people do the same. This is because they are better than Allah and Mohammed. Islamic doctrine says that Allah is loving, however that has its limits because the Koran clearly states that Allah loves not the unbelievers 3:32, 30:45.
In contrast, Jesus told us that God loves everyone:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. (Matt 5:43-45)
It gladdens me that your loving attitude has more in common with that taught by Jesus Christ.
You have plainly stated that no evidence will ever persuade you that Mohammed was false therefore I expect that further words are useless. However you are a man with a God-given mind and Reason, and even though time after time you have avoided the points that I raised I hope that I have given you something to think about, and that you will eventually come to realise the faults of Islam, that Mohammed and your Imams have deceived Muslims, and that you will discern the truth about Jesus Christ.
Christopher
Insan,
–Why am I very sure even if you give me a million evidences to say bad things about Allah and Muhammad? Because I still have faith. This faith that led me to me was convinced of what i was believed.–
Faith is good, but it must be placed correctly.
Hindus have faith that their many deities are the true ones.
Mormons have faith that the prophet received the final revelation from the God of Abraham – except that it’s Joseph Smith, not Muhammad. Muslims have faith that anyone after Muhammad must be a false prophet. Who is right? They cannot both be right.
Christians have faith that only by believing in Jesus’s deityhood, death and resurrection can anyone be saved. Muslims have faith that believing in Jesus’s deityhood, death and resurrection will lead to condemnation for shirk. Who is right? They cannot both be right.
Faith is good, but it must be placed correctly. If is correctly placed, then it will pass any testing performed on it.
If it fails the tests… Then it was a lie.
Hence, you and I and everyone MUST test the things they have faith in.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
(In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
Scott,
Thank you for your widely explaination.
Now i really study your Gospel. I dont want to comment further because a little as I began to understand the language of the gospel. I began to learn the Christians.
Scott,
For your knowledge, I was afraid to learn about other religions before. Fear of deflecting akidah and various other reasons. But my interest started in 2017. From there I started listening to Utube and some sites on the internet such as https://www.blueletterbible.org
Scott,
I will continue my researching of Christianity. Not because to ask you to convert to Islam…and not because I’m interested to convert to Christians.. My hope just that we can live more safely and peacefully when it comes to recognizing the goodness of other religions, instead of seeking the harm of other religions.
Scott,
Maybe I need further clarification, hope you or any one here can guide me.
I hope we meet again.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
(In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
Christopher
Thanks for early reply. I was a little surprised with the quick answers from you. Forgive me Christopher, if the message I conveyed previously makes you upset with me.
Christopher,
You bring to the Qur’anic verses 3:32 and 30:45
Al-Quran 3:32 Say: ” Say (O Muhammad): Obey Allah and His Messenger: but if ye turn away, then lo! Allah loveth not the disbelievers (kafir)
.
verse 30:45 “Because Allah will reward those who believe and do righteous deeds from His bounty. He does not love those who disbelieve (kafir)”
Before proceeding with my statement, I would like to inform you that the verse of the Qur’an 3:31 is a ‘dua’ to be loved by everyone, both parents, spouses, and friends. Anyone can practice reading verse 3:31
Refers to our conversation, my question is ..Who are the kafir? The kafir (Arabic كافر kāfir; plural كفار kuffār) literally means people who hide or deny the truth. In Islam, the pagan people consist of several purposes, ie not to carry God’s command. For example, people who do not want to read the creed, (Laillahaillah Muhammadur Rasullullah), Muslims who do not want to pray, Muslims who do not want to fast and Muslims who do not want to pay zakat.
Why does God not like it? Because they have been warned to them as in Surah Al-Baqarah 2: 6 Those who disbelieve, it is for them. Whether you warn him or do not warn him, they will not believe
Christopher,
As a creator, it is worthy of him to have whatever we call emotion. However the creator’s emotions can not be compared to human emotions. Analogy, as human beings we have children, why when we are a baby, we are dodoi and belai, but when we are big enough to scold our children? The reason is that the child is doing something wrong. Likewise with the creator, He is worthy to scold the creature if the creature does not follow his commands. Jews and Christians are among the main races of God’s love. These are among the scribes. But there are Jews and Christians who are very disobedient. That’s why God is angry.
Christopher,
Your statement about war is not due to the glaring of Prophet Muhammad SAW. God does not send men to war, but self defense, religion and homeland when in sloppy and controlled. In addition, it is the responsibility of the prophet Muhammad to convey the message of Allah. The struggle of the prophet Muhammad SAW is also the prophecy of the prophet Muhammad to the biblical (Jews and Christians) and the Musyrikin. The da’wah approach to them is done through three alternatives: Firstly, they are invited and called for Islam first voluntarily without any coercion as in the case of the Prophet s.a.w in Makkah. When they want to receive this alternative, means they are part of a large family of Muslims. Second, when they do not want to receive the first alternative, then Islam gives them the freedom to embrace and practice their religion. Islam does not compel them to convert to Islam but on condition that they are subject to acceptance and acceptance of Islam’s system and rule. It is as if some of the clauses in the Medina Charter are among the Prophet Muhammad as the head of state with non-Muslims like Bani Auf, al-Harith, Sai’dah, Jusyam, al-Najjar, ‘Amru bin’ Auf and Bani al-Nabiet. (the races) are entitled to protection, whether for the safety of themselves or for their property, just like the Muslim citizens. While in matters of duty, when Muslims are obliged to pay zakat then, they are required to pay jizyah (tax). Jizyah is the obligation to be paid to the government by non-Muslims for the benefit of their security. Third, when the second alternative is still rejected, this means they do not want to submit to the Islamic rulers. Thus, the third alternative is they are fought until they are subject to the government which among others is evidenced by their willingness to pay jizyah to the Islamic government. They are fought so they want to pay jizyah, not until they enter Islam.
Christopher,
Series of wars of the prophet Muhammad SAW is in the form of a Diffensive War which is a defensice war is a Muslim war to fight against the enemy as “attacked first”. This situation took some time for the first four years from the beginning of the first year of his hijrah and his Companions to Medina. During this period the defense system was reinforced to prevent attacks and invasion of the infidels(kafir) as well as from the subversive and treachery of the Jews and the Hypocrites and was not driven by the warlike spirit.
The Offensive War is the battle of the Muslims in enemy attack, not because of the attack by the enemy first. It is also known as marhalah al-Hujum (launching an attack) as happened after the war of Ahzab until the battle of Hunain. In this case, the Messenger of Allah has completed various tools and preparations to confront the enemy “so that the enemy will not dare to invade the Medina”. Most wars in the west are now more Offensive aimed at the conquest of the State.
The Offensive War is the battle of the Muslims in enemy attack, not because of the attack by the enemy first. It is also known as marhalah al-Hujum (launching an attack) as happened after the war of Ahzab until the battle of Hunain. In this case, the Messenger of Allah has completed various tools and preparations to confront the enemy “so that the enemy will not dare to invade the Medina”. Most wars in the west are now more Offensive aimed at the conquest of the State.
Christopher,
Sad to say this. I want to continue to discuss with you and any other Christian. But it might be true that we do not have to continue our conversation. You just said that. And I admit…
Christopher,
Before I conclude, I would like to convey two things that I think is a miracle of the Quran. You can do this. If you really want to know something, try to open the Quran. You open and continue reading the page. . Do not quarrel the Qur’an. You’re sure to get answers to whatever questions you have.
Secondly, a miracle of the Quran that I think you can try. Use your own date of birth. For example 25th March. Try to open the Quran sura 25: 3 … and then you open instead surah 3:25 … ..try you to see exactly whether the two verses are related to yourself. Maybe the date of birth is not very accurate, so you can take the previous sentence or the next verse of the example of 24th March or 26th March … .. see surah 24: 3 and Surah 3:24 or Surah 26: 3 and surah 3:26 …… what are you read may not have happened to you now, but it will probably happen in the future. In the last 5 years, we have been read what is written in the verse according to the date of birth of a friend. Both verses tell us about the legislation. What happened is this year (2019), my friend which I mentioned before had graduated with a law degree and was appointed a Counsel at the High Court of my country. So why dont you try with this one…
Finally, Christopher, I’m sorry if anything is wrong with you. May the True God bless you and give His loves especially to you, Christopher and to all of us.
Sincerely,
Insan
It is good that you seek to learn more about other faiths, Insan.
For myself, I will follow the truth – holding faithfully onto a lie is insulting to the Creator. Our loyalty should be to Him, not to any book or faith system.
Personally, I have changed my mind on so many issues after learning new and better information.
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Or
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Scott,
Sorry for the late reply. i’m a bit busy now.
Scott,
right .. as long as we live, we will continue to learn. get to know other people and get in touch in a better way
Scott,
Thank you. InshaAllah later on I will go to your blog.if there is any question related to Islam, you can ask me
cita2kusolehah@gmail.com
I will try to answer your questions as much as possible.
till we meet again…
Insan…..